A 2-part 2 p.o.v. on ... you know what.

To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx From: "xxxxxxxxx" | This is Spam | Add to Address Book Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:47:34 +0100 Subject: [xxxxxx] Argument

I am totally with Xxxxxx, and I am deeply convinced that everything one does is in fact political -if you stay passive and keep your mouth shut you basically accept what your political 'representatives' do, and the more people stay passive the easier it is for them to do whatever they want. And I am convinced that every administration in the world is cheating and lying at their people, so think for yourself and don't follow leaders (to quote Xxxxxxx).

As I said: I have no sympathy whatsoever for dictators like Saddam - but with whose help was he installed in this position? Who paid him and his regime for years? And for what reasons? And what is the true reason behind attacking him now and not earlier? The whole world watched when he poisoned whole villages, and nobody gave a fuck. They tried to stop him the moment precious oil resources where in danger, and nobody, really nobody ever cared for the people he killed.

And it will not be him and his fucking family and secret service assholes who will die - you can bet that they are sitting safely in their shelters with enough money deposited in Swiss banks for the rest of their life. Those who will die are those who happen to live at the wrong place in the wrong time and who don't have a chance to get the fuck out in time.

What makes me sick is the fact that the Bush administration is deliberately breaking international law ignoring each and every institution including the United Nations. By the way: who pays Bush? Who installed him in his position? And for what reasons?

I don't give a fuck who is 'right' or 'wrong' in this situation, politics don't have anything to do with morals and ethics and humanity.

The only thing that counts for me is the fact that thousands of completely innocent people will die because the administration of one country isn't willing to find other ways than bombing them.

Imagine yourself sitting somewhere in Baghdad waiting for hell break loose in the form of the attack of the richest, weapon wise best equipped country in the world. I would be on your side no matter if your political leader is a dictator or not simply because you are the one who is fucked.

Violence bears violence bears violence bears violence.

Peace

Xxxxxxxx

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To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx.xxx From: "xxxxxxxxx" | This is Spam | Add to Address Book Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:03:54 +0100 Subject: [xxxxxx] Argument part 2

I forward a mail my best friend wrote to his relatives . He is American, was in the Army and had to go Bosnia for one year. After that experience he quit which wasn't easy at all. As he knows part of the real thing I think his point of view might be interesting:

«It doesn't take an all out War to remove a head of state from office, it just takes the right amount of pressure strategically placed and an Alternative the people of the land being effected find acceptable. The next time Bush mentions fighting for freedom, ask yourself "whose freedom" and who made him the world Chief of Police? Were there no propaganda in the U.S. making you feel unsafe would you still feel so?

I really have to question what makes one man's life worth the loss of thousands of others, who don't want anything to do with it all and want nothing else in life than to live and be happy. I can guarantee that ninety percent of the Iraqi Soldiers don't want to fight, nor do they have the choice to join Saddam's Army. They are ordered to and if they refuse they are persecuted. If it so happens that they don't have any connection higher up, they are imprisoned or shot for high treason. That doesn't exactly make a willing Army.

It is my opinion that no matter what happens, the American Army will march into Iraq, lay waste and in the end Saddam Hussein will Still be the President of Iraq and there will be another wave of sick American soldiers. The Government (Tax payers) will have to pay for the deformed children being born to mothers who are healthy and can't understand why it had to happen to them. Then the media will blame the Iraqis and hardly anyone would consider that had the U.S. Government kept their noses out of other peoples business nobody would have gotten hurt. Most of the time a war causes more casualties after it is over than during.

On this list we have the chance to discuss things from different points of view, more or less unaffected by the propaganda and lies of our respective administrations. And I am convinced that we have more things in common, no matter from which country in the world we come from, than things that might separate us.

Peace

Xxxxxxxx

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